Spurs Banter Archive November 09 2014

09 Nov 2014 21:21:06
spurs 1985 I don't want mopo sacked. I said the club will get rid of him by xmas if the results are poor.i want levy and lewis to sell up that's all. now I read we are going to sign jay injured done nothing rodriguez for 20 million. says it all about our club. why not sign gignac or jackson martinez. a player who will make the club better.

09 Nov 2014 22:23:21
Fair play Raver, my mistake buddy.I would like to reiterate my earlier comment, better the devil you know. Many clubs have gotten new chairman who have offered the earth and delivered nothing. Atleast with Levy wanting to "line his pockets" means we won't fall out of the epl as if things really did start getting that bad I'm sure we will see the other side of Levy.

Yes but if Mopo wants Jrod then surely you agree the manager should get the players he wants. I think if we are going to give Mopo the time he needs to change our fortunes we need to take his opinion seriously. Getting another player he isn't interested in would probably make him more disillusioned with his role at the club.

09 Nov 2014 23:57:38
where to start?
lloris. will be off asap
rose. defensive positioning is awful,dont believe him to be good enough
naughton,capable but not good enough,soon to be replaced by kw
kaboul,never understood why people rated him so highly.has severe concentration lapses,as did benny,and bizarrely entrusted with the leaders armband.strange decision for such a wall flower in his own 18 yd box
Fazio,to early to write him off as he has something about him[in a john terry way]but not convincing yet
verts,heads been turned during the summer and doesn't seem the same player
dier,cant really comment yet as been played out of position
capoue,disappointing for me,
stamboli,needs time to settle in before he can be assessed fully.
dembele,probably one of the biggest disappointments.why isn't he played 10 yds further up the pitch where his strength and skill would terrify defenders?
erikson,very hit and miss for me but probably be sold on in the future for a big profit
townsend,the enigma.has untold ability but doesn't know what to do with it.i really thought he might be employed in the gareth bale roving position this season and would set the lane on fire.
lamella.cant see him ever hitting the heights at the lane if i'm honest
soldado.again I don't think its going to work out for him.we'll sell him at a loss and he'll score for fun somewhere else
kane.given time he'll be Englands centre forward but it shows how bad it is when he's our talisman
mason,probably been our best player.
benteleb seems out of the picture at present,as does lennon.the flying machine provides great defensive back up when playing but little cutting edge up front.
ade,usually holds the ball up well,providing link up play but I thought he was bought to provide goals?and when he's disinterested.a waste of a shirt.
chadli,along with mason and lloris has been consistently good this season.
tactically,the attitude is all wrong ,the professionalism is almost non existant,the tempo far to slow with countless passes across the centre circle ,then back,then across again.as for the movement of players its almost non existant.even crossing the ball avoiding the first defender seems beyond our superstars.

ITS FRIGGING HOPELESS!

my honest opinion,it needs a couple of passionate supporters in the dressing room before the game,at half time and at full time if this dross continues to remind the players how honoured they are to earn their living wearing the lily white shirt graced by so many legends before,and to reinforce this fact into their heads.

10 Nov 2014 01:26:55
Bucks, not really a lot to disagree with there. I agree with most of the assessments of the players but one thing I will say is look what a difference a day can make. Last year Kane was a hopeless championship player at best (I will add I thought these comments were unfounded and he deserved time to atleast prove himself, a lot like the debate I've created tonight as regards to Mopo) now he's the man on fire. A bit disrespectful saying things are bad now he's our talisman. The fact he's improved as a player is credit to him and we should all get excited about a product of our academy making it at the highest level. The same with Bale, how close was he to leaving us? If reports are to be believed then very close. He then turnt out to become the record signing in football history. Either credit to him for keeping his head up through the hard times or credit to Levy for ripping off Real Madrid. Imo it's the former. Basically my point being that any of these players can come good (I've lost hope on a few admittedly, Lennon naughton and rose to name the most obvious) given time and the confidence our players clearly need will separate the ones to keep and the ones to let go.

Two last comments I'd like to add regarding what you've said are that I agree strongly about Dembele, thought the guy would become a crucial member in our side but fails to impress on a consistent basis. Really frustrating as the way he glides past players is so much like Yaya Toure (who I think is a beast of a player) but instead of improving and becoming a top player like Toure, he's not improved at all since we signed him, some may argue he's gotten worse I'm sure.

Lastly, if we lose Lloris, which I agree we will unless a miracle happens and we get top four then we could definitely be in trouble as he is one of t he best in the world and goalkeepers are difficult to find.

Kane, the talisman . I will give him some due at the Mo but if he had put the header away that was easier to score than miss at the start, we wouldn't be having this debate and we would be in the top ten . If he becomes England's main striker, then wow, we have not got a lot of chance in competitions .
At best he is a trier yes, who always gives his all, but a couple of goals and he is our Messi, and then a deflected free kick goal and now he thinks he is the main free kick taker! Who would fellow supporters have, KANE, BENTEKE OR BONY?

10 Nov 2014 16:35:49
Kane is still a hopeless championship player. So he scores 1 in 5 chances against league 1 standard opposition in the Europa, so that makes him the main man. Its this attitude that's dragging the club down. We saw the real Harry Kane hit the bar from 2 yards on thursday night and miss a very easy header early on against Stoke. If Kane is the main man now there is a crisis at the club and things are a lot worse than anyone can imagine. Mentioning Kane and the others in the same sentance as Bale is just distasteful, have some respect for the best player in our history. Benteke is the one Davo and if Levy shows some respect to Villa and makes a real bid he should be getable.

10 Nov 2014 18:49:40
Lucas I wasn't the one calling for Kane to be played I was just using him as a example of how players can come good, LIKE Bale did. Not comparing the two in terms of quality so please learn to read my posts properly if you want to reply before making yourself look stupid. Many thanks

Spurs 1985 your exact words were "the same with Bale, how close was he to leaving us? If reports are to be believed then very close. He then turned out to be the record signing in football history. You then said " any of these players can come good". The fact that you used GBs route to the top as the example for Kane and the others makes you the stupid one. If you want to make comparisons to Kane and the others think of some journeyman championship players as that is what they will all be.

10 Nov 2014 22:54:55
the club have persevered with harry,as they have with mason mcevoy ,carroll, Pritchard etc as they have the talent,attitude and desire to succeed.pritchard is developing very well at Brentford ,tom at Swansea,mcevoy at peterboro.
clive allen speaks extremely highly of harry kane,stating he has all the attributes to be a top class striker and if mr allen thinks that who am I to argue.
remember the next best thing that most were clambering for to lead our line last season,the next drogba.well whilst most were spouting rubbish,coullibally was shipped off to Italy for goodfor a smallish fee.hasnt exactly set that league alight either as yet.
probably best the management didn't knee jerk to pacify the masses.

10 Nov 2014 23:26:47
Oh dear Lucas, you really should read it again. I still wasn't comparing them in terms of quality was I? I was just saying (read this very slowly my friend it'll help you alot) Bale was on the verge of being shipped out (to a championship side I do believe as it happens) but was given a chance because of an injury to ekotto. As a result, he became a vital player for us and then progressed to be a record signing. Now, last year Kane was was looked at as a player nowhere near the level required to play in the epl let alone a top side like spurs. Roll on a year later and most fans are calling for him to be picked over a player who has played at the very top (that player is ade by the way), still with me? Ok I'll continue, so my point being that just because the players are not looking great right now doesn't mean they will not come good in the not to distant future. Let me reiterate, I'm not saying Kane is our next Bale, I'm not saying he is showing signs of becoming anywhere near that level all I'm simply saying is that we shouldn't lose faith in all our players as there is still hope they will come good. I'll say it one last time incase you are still struggling to comprehend what I'm saying, I don't Think Kane is as good or has the potential to be as good as Bale. Get it? Got it? Good! Now go to sleep you may need a good rest you've been over working that poor little brain of yours.

09 Nov 2014 20:24:01
Dear Spurs1985, this is a fans forum and if people want to express their dissatisfaction then that is their right. I have supported this Club for 40 years and I am telling you my friend that this is the worst team and the worst coach since we were relegated.
If you seriously believe that "time" will make any difference to the team that were out there today then dream on my friend.I pay a lot of my hard earned cash to support my team and I want to be entertained and I like many others have simply had enough. I have seen better football over the local Park. Those players are devoid of a shread of confidence and have not a clue what they are doing. No one wants the ball. And I am a senior project manager and managers lead from the front by example and by learning how to get the best out of their workforce/staff. I would suggest therefore that Mr Pochettino has neither the required skill or knowledge to do so. And before you go off slagging Sir Alan Sugar you might do well to remember that it was him and Terry Venables that saved our Club after Irving scholar tried to bankrupt the Club

09 Nov 2014 21:40:27
just ignore spurs1985, he probably works for the THFC PR department - manipulating the news feed and the media is the only part of the club that's world class.

09 Nov 2014 21:46:20
Chris, yes of course it is their right so let me say my piece then my friend. I was just putting across the other side of the argument, which when times are bad people fail to see.

Really the worst you've seen since we were relegated? Did you completely miss the Ramos era then? We are currently 4 points off of 4th place, yes that is all! Not really the disaster people on here claim, is it? When Ramos was in charge we couldn't buy a win so I think you may need to reconsider your comment there mate! The worst coach, really? After just over 3 months you honestly believe you have the right to that claim? Seriously? So much for giving the manager the time he needs to build his project. But that said may I again remind you of a Spanish guy who took the reins at the lane and almost got us relegated, yes that guy Ramos again. Think again you may want to reconsider your comment.

Yes I seriously do think time will help, as removing the bad mentality not to mention the destructive personalities in the team will take time. More than just 4 months I may add. How do I know this? Well it's simple, because as a manager myself I get sent to different parts of the country to turn around failing depots. The reason I have been entrusted with this job is because I'm a good manager. Now on my current project I'm also just over 3 months in and things are still bleak. The negative attitudes are still there and the depot has stagnated but the "rot" is slowly being removed. Now would it be fair for them to say to me I'm all of a sudden no good because I don't pocess a magic wand? Of course not THESE THINGS TAKE TIME.

Excuse me my friend but is it not your prerogative to spend your hard earned cash in this way, nobody forces your hand so if you don't like it don't waste your money it really is that simple. I couldn't care less if you've supported them for 1 day or 100 years it makes no difference, the club owes you nothing as you choose to follow our wonderful club.

No your right they seem clueless, some uninterested and unable to do the basics. This comes back to be given time, Mopo needs to assess the players who will fit his system, will fight for the club and then keep those players together to get a better understanding (as with so many changes over the last few years the pieces to our puzzle do not fit correctly). Mopo requires his team to be at a certain level fitness wise for his system to be effective, that will take time you don't believe he deserves. The players need to get used to running for a full 90mins at full tempo then we will see what our "worst" coach in years is capable of. Atleast give him the chance to fail though.

I didn't stag him off as I support my team regardless, through thick and thin. My point was simply do you think we would've been better of had Lord Sugar not sold up? Don't kid yourself when answering that question my friend.

Lastly, you said "managers lead from the front by learning" well give him more than 5 mins to learn then please. Rome wasn't built in a day!

09 Nov 2014 22:26:57
Kristeva, if you would like to join a adult conversation then you need to think about your words a little better. Because if you don't agree with my comments think of a decent argument to my comments then respond in a mature way instead of making yourself sound like a five year old. Many thanks.

These are, for the most part, highly paid international players - we are 3 months into the season, how long does it take them to get fit?

MoPo needs to rethink his tactics cause this group doesn't look to committed to his philosphy. Maybe, we are paying the price of too many managers and the players realise he will likely be gone before them. After all Levy isn't exactly known for backing his managerial choices.

Yellow card, if Mopo doesn't know his best team after 3 months of the season, how long does he want . My complaint about him is that he changes so many bloody players each game, and like the previous two managers, plays players out of position all the time . I am all for giving him time, bit Mopo, grow some balls, stand up to Levy and sort out the dressing room!

09 Nov 2014 17:26:48
at the start of the season I said mopo will be gone by xmas. you all laughed at me. looking like he could be gone before the end of november. we have been so poor to watch the defence are all over the shop. the midfield can't string a pass together. and we have strikers who can't score. the club is going downhill big time thanks to levy and co.i won't be giving my money to thease clowns

09 Nov 2014 17:59:30
Well I'm glad you feel your going to be right, means that we Sack Mopo get someone else in and repeat the same levels of optimism followed by sudden heart ache when it doesn't work. We need consistency not another manager. Let's stand by our team and see where that takes us. Our team is so disjointed and unable to play together because we change our team, manager and tactics almost every year. As that clearly isn't working do you not suggest we try something different? Oh no of course not, your a spurs fan and will only be happy when you have something to moan about. I thought Liverpool fans were by far the most delirious fans in the league but I have come to learn it's in fact our fans. We are not actually as good as we think we are and will need to take some steps backwards to move forward. But as per usual the small grumbles of sacking the manager start after a bad run which eventually leaves Levy with no choice but to sack the manager. If we keep this up then we truly will be playing championship football in a couple of years. It's ok though as we can all just point the finger at Levy, because of course it'll be all his fault.

I can only presume Spurs1985 is the name Daniel Levy uses when he posts on here. Levy has been an absolute disaster from start to finish. He lucked out signing HR as manager when another one of his faddish foreign appointments (Ramos) proved a disaster, HR gets us top 4 finishes despite not spending much so what does Levy do? Well, sack him of course and appoint a manager was sacked after less than a season at Chelsea, brilliant. When Arsenal fans start referring to the Spurs chairman as "Agent Levy" and "Arsenal supporter of the year" I think it's fair to say he hasn't been a roaring success. Too obsessed with continental coaches and continental management structures (can somebody tell me where in the PL having a Director of Football has been a success?). It's not personal, I don't think Lev is a bad man, just a bad Chairman.

09 Nov 2014 20:39:00
Luke, would you like Alan Sugar back?

09 Nov 2014 22:15:28
Yes Like I'm Levy wasting my time on this site trying to convince people like you I'm the Messiah. Seriously how old are you mate? I'm not even going to waste my time responding to your post come back when you've successfully completed puberty.

What you saying spurski? Would you trade Levy for Sugar? Problem is our fans want a rich oil tycoon incharge but as you've rightly commented before it won't help us in the same way it has Chelsea and city. Still the blind leading the blind comes to mind with some of the comments I read on here.

10 Nov 2014 21:06:16
Spurs85, no chance mate, was just making a point that Levy is much better than Sugar.

10 Nov 2014 22:07:51
Yeah thought as much and reading my post again I see it does sound like I thought that's what you were saying. Just to clarify I wasn't, I was just asking you the question. I pretty much knew the answer though as I've heard you back Levy on here many times and wanted to back you in the debates you've had but felt you always handled things well enough by yourself that you don't require someone to get involved.

09 Nov 2014 14:19:15
Lewis, Levy and mopo all need to go and NOW!

In all my years watching Spurs I have never seen a team so clueless, heartless, gutless and as much of a shambles as this shower of s***. Levy and Lewis have by far out stayed their welcome as for mopo he hasn't got a clue. 7-10 changes every game, does no his best team, and while they are all fu**ing they can take most of the overpaid primadoners with them. I don't like losing but can accept it if we play well or lose to a better team. If this rubbish keeps on we will be playing championship football next season. Huge changes needed at the lane starting at very top right done to the dross on the pitch. I don't think words can even come close to how poor this is and how low I feel at the moment

I really want things to work with mopo but something is really wrong.

There seem to be no set tactics

Individually we cannot defend but as a team we are worse. Our back 4 today all had errors in their game - why?

We can't pass - with a good club like spurs you should be able to count on your hands how many times you give the ball away unforced - we do that in a 10 minute period. Is the positioning wrong? or have they lost the ability to kick the ball in a straight line

Our width is useless - mopo obviously likes the interchanging 3 with townsend chadli and erikson today but by doing this they all look lost and there is no structure so we are often looking for a ball that isn't there.

Pathetic! I hate how every week we seem to look worse - this "i don't know my best team is crap". look at koeman or Alladice . lots of new signings and embed them quickly.

Pick a side and stick with it

Totally agree!
Owners completely let the club down, only interested in filling their own pockets! Well that's backfired hasn't it! Hope the value of the club drops as quickly as we are down the league!
As for the manager, although I feel sorry for him being sh*t upon and let down by Levy, he is totally clueless at the moment! I honestly thought he was what this club needed, young, attack minded, tactically sound, but most of all, had balls . Well how wrong can you be? He has let Levy and co mug him off, he has let player power take over, he buys Dier, Davies and Fazio, and then plays Rose, Naughton and Kaboul, three of the worst defenders in the PL! Then to top it all, he plays a stupid rotation game with the team . How do you justify changing seven players minimum every game? Of the team that started today, how many are worth keeping? Then look at the subs and others, Ade, Paulinho, Lennon, Chiriches,!
It makes being a Spurs supporter mad seeing what has happened to our club! When the January window comes we need to dump most of the squad for what ever we can get for them, not Levy's prices, that will be a good lesson to start with . Then give Mopo the money needed to stop us playing CHAMPIONSHIP football next season!

Oh and PS ;
When is townsend going to attack the byeline for Spurs like he does for England? Finally, I know KANE scored from a free kick, off a deflection, but if he is the best we have for free kicks then we really do have a problem!

09 Nov 2014 07:38:02
Let's hope Mopo takes a leaf out of Mourino's book soon and picks a basis of a team, especially in defence . Getting really pissed off with such a chop and change each game, just because he hasn't got the balls to make an important decision that might upset certain people . Everyone can see where are problems are, just by sitting on the sidelines . He sits in the same place, why can't he see it??