27 Oct 2013 21:13:49
AVB spot on to criticise the fans. I knowthe ffootball isn't like when we had Harry. But it gets results!
Come on fellow Spurs fans. Have faith. And sing from the terraces. I known was today, but around me people were just grumpy and sad. Get a grip. Then louder we are, the more it'll spur the team onto perform for us!
Too many people are critical and negative about our team.
COYS
I think Avb should keep his mouth closed. i'm finding our slow play very frustrating as are many at Whl and if I wany to show my disapproval I will. Maybe if he stopped making stupid subs and strange tactics he might get a better response. Paulinho needs to speed up he is slowing the team right down.
Frustrations can be understood Cockney, but looks at the stats.
*Spurs best start to an EPL season
*Only 5 goals conceded in all comps, which is only 2 excluding the horror show!
The point is the team is getting results without playing well and are in a great position in the table! How many times have we heard United fans moan about how poorly the team having been playing over recent years; yet they have still won PL titles.
Realistically, the team should be playing much better football, but it will take a large chunk of the season for all of the new players to generate a footballing cohesion. This team will improve, but will need the support of the fans to get there. Negativity in the stands will only breed negativity on the pitch.
Hass,
I agree with your points but, given the negativity in the stands yesterday mainly manifested as long periods of quiet with the occasional groan or grumble when the patient (sometimes inept to be fair) football was laced with poor control, very loose passes, soft fouls putting us under pressure and, when it looked like there was a lack of urgency, I think it was entirely justified.
Was there a chorus of boos or abuse I missed or something? No. The fact is they also served up an absolute horror show at home last time out so the onus was on THEM to get the fans motivated and 'do better for us, they can do better and know they can do better!'.
I have seen far more poisonous atmospheres than that one, probably with teams playing better in some cases!
It was a stupid comment to make, playing perfectly into the 'told you so' Chelski, haters camp.If the wheels come off a bit in the upcoming tricky fixtures then he could really see a negative atmosphere!
Simmo
Simmo
AVB maybe saying yes these things happen and when things are not working on the pitch as they should be we NEED the supporters to SUPPORT and help lift the team not go quiet and create a negative attitude but get behind your team and support them more so when playing bad to help pull them through. How do you think the newcomers react to this kind of support they are probably thinking they should have signed for a team that's gets support at home because if we don't support them there when will they. all the top sides supprot there team apart from CHELSEA and they are classless please let's not emulate them we are spurs we are better than this c'mon AVB either support him or don't go. if you have anything to say think about the big picture and vent your anger later not at the time like a narrowback
So basically what some of you are saying on here is - I'll support my team when we're doing well but when we're up against it and struggling I'll show my disappointment! You shouldn't even be allowed into the ground with that attitude. it shocks me. Cockney Magic and Simmo, please get a dictionary and read the definition of a supporter.
Simmo, you say in your post that the onus was on THEM to get the fans motivated. That does not sound like support. We are there to get them motivated, singing before the game, a raucous reception as they enter the field of play. The players respond to support, hence why we are known as supporters - regardless of the last result we should ALWAYS be behind our team and supporting everyone that wears that shirt for those 90mins - it's embarrassing to say it, but too many people in the ground don't do that, looks like you and Cockney Magic are a couple of them!
Just read what Hass has said - OUR BEST START TO A PREMIER LEAGUE SEASON, but still so many people not happy! If we were struggling at the foot of the table I'd understand it a bit better, but we've had our best start to a Premier league season - with a new team still gelling. Get a grip and support your team - your views are always welcome regarding tactics etc, but your negativity isn't. COYS - let's get behind the boys!
Here here wembley yod. spurs don't need these part time supporters give your ticket to someone who cares how the team feels not someone who expects them to perform in a morgue, all voices should be behind the team. yes if we were struggling in the bottom three but we are not back us or sack us don't down the team when they are trying their best in difficult situation. by all means come on here and have your say that is what this site is for but guys come on don't heckle the team
Dd, don't think anyone has said we should heckle our team, especially Simmo! I certainly didn't hear anyone doing it either, not even against the Hammers! Yes there might have been rumbles of discontent, but can you blame the fans! I think that our fans have been quiet calm considering the rubbish we have seen in most of our home games this season! As for ' trying their best in a difficult situation ' who made the situation difficult, certainly not the fans! We are all behind the team, but I think that they are paid to excite us, I certainly don't pay to excite them! We have one of the best squads in the PL, we shouldn't need excuses against teams like Hull, etc . Don't forget, it's not the fans who buy the players, train the players and pick the players, so AVB shouldn't spout that sort of crap . You also say that on this site your views are always welcome, that all Simmo was doing, airing his views on this site, not down at the ground like other teams supporters would! I notice you having a moan a couple of paragraphs down, but that's what this site is for!
Wembley and DD, I can't be bothered to defend myself in detail but I have been going to the lane all my life and am Tottenham through and through. I am entitled to voice or show my disappoinment as many do at the game so there must be something up. Its not like we were chanting Avb out or being violent.
The saying of the season ' negativity in the stands will cause negativity on the pitch '
One question! Who gets paid to play, with money that partly comes from the fans?
Yes, the fans in good spirits will lift the players, the players playing well will lift the fans! But it starts on the pitch! They are paid to excite, we get excited, they get the lift from that! Play rubbish, then the fans get restless! It's simple bloody logic!
Why all the negativity guys? Yes we are not playing great football but we are winning, aren't we? We are grinding out results when we were expected to be struggling whilst our players are gelling. As long as we win that should be enough surely? So much blame being pointed out by people on here I.e AVB is getting the tactics wrong, whereas at the beginning of the season people on here were saying things such as "best young manager in football". I'm not going to point fingers and attack certain fans but some of you love pointing out what's wrong with our team instead of appreciating the quality amongst our team. To add to that, if your all so negative on here then surely AVB was right about the fans at the game. Just a thought!
'Simple Logic' haha, well clearly Spurs have the wrong man in charge then!
In all seriousness though Davo, it can't hurt to get behind the team can it; whether they are playing well or not.
If you want to be negative and have a moan on here that is absolutely fine.
But I personally think that Spurs fans should be optimistic and excited about the teams start to the season, and the current squad. The team is winning games and is currently in the top 4, so bloody cheer up!
All I am trying to say davo and cockney is that if the atmosphere at the ground affects the way the players play, which fan in their right mind would show discontentment and rain negativity around that affects the way the players play, avb is right and the fans at the ground need to do their part whether they are PAID or not and whether the players are paid a lot of money or not its called the TWELTH MAN and all top top sides have this. its small team mentality not to give your team anything BUT your support. if we want success we have to stay behind what they are trying to do at WHL and not whilt at the first hurdle. we are doing really well remember this
Has and dd, I get behind my team every time I go and always will, as I have done since I was about 7, which is about 40 years ago . Being a Spurs supporter means a lot of ups and downs and always will, and I have never, and never will, not give my team the best support that I can at every game . Just because I have a good moan on this site, which its here for, doesn't mean that I would heckle my team in the ground! Yes we are top 4, yes we have only conceded 5 goals, yes DL has done well for us this transfer window, yes we have a good squad, and yes, we were rubbish in our last 2 home games and didn't deserve to have our fans clapping and screaming .
Oh and my last word on this subject, we have only played two of the top teams, and won one point, let's see how we do against Everton!
Finally davo we agree, this is the place for airing your views and opinions. Once you have aired your opinion it is only fair and proper for others to have an opinion on your opinion and having debate on here is perfectly healthy. the original point by spurs dave was that avb was right to want the fans to stop being negative at the ground as it can have an adverse affect on the players and o spurs fan wants that. Also the positive from your last negative is that we are winning games whilst still finding our feet after a much needed upheaval, its a great start in ALL competitions let's hope a few silly fans don't scupper this promising start. and I am just 1 year your junior dave.
To DD and Wembley Yid, if you're going to make comments about heckling, approving of negativity and even to the level of shouldn't be in the ground to somebody then at least read what they've written!
If I wanted to be negative then my right to go to games is no less than anybody's anyway but, what I said was; the atmosphere was not exactly poisonous, there wasn't booing or huge discontent. There was anxiety and frustration as time went on that, lest you/we/they forget, could be understood given what had happened vs West Ham.
Somebody else has made an excellent point about the recent, huge publicity and legal implications of thousands of us singing many of our usual, supportive, atmosphere generating songs that we have sung for years - add this into the mix and it makes AVB's comments even more insensitive and mis-guided.
The atmosphere and fans were not as scathing as he made out or as scathing as he was himself.
Read things in full and understand them before you're going to make comments like that, that's an example of what AVB should've done too!
Simmo
Simmo
all I really read there was "If I wanted to be negative then my right to go to games is no less than anybody's anyway " that is about your barrow my lad. of course its your right but it isn't a true supporter that would even say that, you begger belief. and I would also say that we should get behind a team MORE after they have lost three nil than if we had won our previous game. or maybe its just me wanting to support the team I love . yes I criticise certain individual performances but its after they have played when I am dissecting the game with my friends we all do that. but hey simmo we all have our own opinion on this and we have now heard yours
DD,
Maybe you should have read what I said about reading a post properly, again you've abridged things to throw mud about points I am not making - I get enough of that from the missus.
IF I wanted to be negative it would not give me any less right to go to a game - that was an IF, given the comments about 'I shouldn't be in the ground'!
Just to reiterate for the less observant - MY POINT WAS AVB SHOULD NOT HAVE SAID WHAT E DID REGRDLESS AND, I DO NOT PERSONALLY THINK THE ATMOSPHERE IN THE STADIUM WAS PARTICULARLY TOXIC ANYWAY. ADD THAT TO THE RECENT PUBLICITY ABOUT LEGAL IMPLICATIONS OF US SINGING MANY OF OUR POPULAR CHANTS MADE IT AN ILL-ADVISED AND FAIRLY INSENSITIVE COMMENT.
Anyway, we all made out point with the support last night, they scraped through on pens so, it doesn't seem to have made much difference from Sunday in that respect.
Simmo