Spurs Banter Archive October 23 2012

 

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23 Oct 2012 18:39:18
Pinky, Chelsea started spending big well before Abramovich thats why you almost went bankrupt. You were heavily in debt, splashing out on Weah, Flo and others due to your desperation to be big. Jon Harley, Jody Morris, Frank Sinclair, Eddie Newton eg now thats the real Chelsea.

What happened to being 'Self sufficient' ? Tell us all without saying how bitter we are! You Chelsea are pathetic, everyone hates you even players across Europe, unless they get offered a contract by you that is! Money, money, money thats all you are.

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And that is the reason abramivuc bought the chavs. We wanted too much for a club not in debt. The chavs where cheaper because they where so heavily in debt.

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These bloody chavs come on this site, quoting they are some kind of Barcelona.
You are not.
You are like Malaga, a small club with money.
You are not Barcelona, Madrid, bayern, Milan or even united.
You can go on about last seasons 'fluke' but when Denmark and Greece won the euros, where they the best, not by a long way.
With your players' crap attitude to everything and your fans big gobs, you are fast becoming despised all over Europe.
When you get yours, and it is coming, the que of laughing people will be massive and I, like most prem fans, will be pushing to get to the front.

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Its coming??? how long has roman been at chelsea and ur still piping up about when he leaves! bore it off will ya ur a small club fact! u beat us 3 times in 40 games we always own u even b4 roman came!


pinky

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Small club who finished shove you last season.
Played well tonight I see. Normal serbice resumes. CL winners. You are having a laugh.
Don't 'mr chelsea' make a difference when he plays??
What a player......Ledley he ain't !!

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Perky, you tell us. How long has abramovic been at the chavs??
Do you know. Guess not. Started supporting them after abramovic did you??
Thought so!!!

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You will be saying your dad is bigger than mine next. Get a life will you.
You come on here, trying to give it large.
Expect some comments back.
If you don't like it or can't take it. Go away.
Hope you enjoyed the game tonight perky.
Sure roman will spend another 50mill to sort it out.
Harry in by the new year. At least joe Jordan will stand up to terry cole and
lampard

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You own us. Oh my god. They really do think they are gods gift to football.
You are a small team with a rich daddy.
You are the Paris Hilton of football. Ha ha.
Excuse me If I spent a billion in 10 years, I'd expect to win most games against your rivals too.
How many managers did we cost you by winning 3 times. You won at the lane for the first time in 8 years.
Well whoopy doo.

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SMALL CLUB!!!!!



pinky

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Looks like we touched a nerve there pinky...

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How can u ever touch a nerve a small club like u could never do that trust! we migt of lost but one thing will never change and that is we are champions of europe somthing ur small club will never see even if a sugar daddy rolled up!


pinky

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Oh Pinky ,
Went to the doctors the other day , told him that every time I masturbate I shout Chelsea . Told me not to worry about it as most Wan**s do !
Davo

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That makes you a small club too pinky. You are no bigger than us.
Just gobby fans and louts for players.
The dregs of the prem.
Wannabe club.

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Bore off perky. You are a wannabe club. FACT!!
The Paris Hilton of the prem league.
Daddy will see you right.
Harry is coming to sort you out.
You have a west brom reject as a coach.
Take you sugar daddy away and you are same size club as spurs.
The chavs!! Small club!! Wannabe big club!!

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Perky, how can u say that. Would you of ever won the CL without money. Never.
If we get money. We might fluke it too. Just like you did.

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Champions of Europe eh perky but 6th best in prem league.
Work that out.

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Came back when u win premership and champions league so u got somthing to shout about!

small club



pinky

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We will come back when we buy the premiership and champions league.
Just like you did.
Was you a forest fan in the 70's
A Liverpool fan in the 80's
A Blackburn fan in 94/95
You will be a man city fan next.
Glory hunter. That's all you are.
You was a small club in the 70's 80's 90's
Even with money, you are still a small club.
We have history, you have money to buy your history.

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You have nothing to shout about perky.
Wannabe big club.
You are like a wig at a hair dressers convention.... fake and doesn't belong there.
If I buy a Stetson, is doesn't make me a cowboy.
Someone else's money doesn't make you a big club pal.
Have you got nothing better than 'small club'. Boring. Boring. Boring.

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Ha it cracks me up that u all think i support chelsea when roman joined so so wrong been always a blue since the the 80s! stop ur hating we cant help it if we far better then u mugs! money dnt buy sucess u have to earn it with all the money city have spent over the years have they won the champions league yet! how long did it take us to win it under roman! won it once since roman has came in and in that time the likes of porto ave won it who are not in our league when it comes to money so u keep bringing the money thing up cos u sound like persons



pinky

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Interesting if not mis informed debate.
Spurs historically have spent big and indeed found themselves in deep deep financial trouble in the 80s. Had it not been for Sir Alan Sugar the chances are that Spurs would have gone out of business. Then as Sugar says he brought stability back but the Spurs fans turnrd n him and he states it was the biggest mistake he ever made was getting involved at Spurs.
The simple fact re Spurs decalred profit is they have made tens of millions from recent player sales and whilst past years figures show a profit wage expenditure is creeping up (possibly now £100 million) and without either a big player sale or CL Spurs will show a loss. Indeed DL has said that the figures to 31/5/2012 will not show a profit . Nor will the current years and thats with the sale of Moderic
Under Ken Bates Chelsea had over extended. No question about that, but the bulk of the debt revovled around the purchase of land previousley owned by Marler Estates and the redevolpment of Stamford Bridge (Chelsea Village)the view was that the value of the clubs assets and in particular land values would always mean that an investor would be found.
As for very rich owners look at Spurs the owner has in his time owned significant elements of several clubs all purchased as investments. ENIC will be looking to take a profit.If he was not looking to take a profit moneys from the sale of players such as Carrick, Berbitov & Moderic would havebeen re invested as oppossed to just the odd few million.
Harry did well to get real value out of the market as to if AVB will carry on in this vein well the jury is out.

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Did the oracle right that above comment!!
God, I'm still trying to get my head around it.
As fir money spent, I will say 3 words....
Financial fair play.
The chavs will have to cook the books to qualify. That is wrong.
And perky, as for 'how long had roman been in before CL success' that's because Chelsea is his toy. If he don't get success, he sacks the manager. Know one can continue winning like that. That is the only reason.
You are a play thing.

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Ah FFP often spouted by people but rareley understood.
I suggest you read a blog by a very well informed called the Swiss Rambler.Chelsea will easily comply with FFP and thats without cooking the books
You may be right that RA sees Chelsea as his play thing but I would far rather that than how Man U or indeed Liverpools owners view their involvement namely as cash cows and speaking at length to a Villa supporter how their American owners are now possibly trying to take profit out of their club.
The new Sky deal will see a real opportunity for other clubs owners to start to pay themselves didvidends. A has ploughed vast sums into not just Chelsea but through huge transfer fees to other clubs.
Oh and I am ot the poster known as The Oracle! I am a Chelsea supporter of 45 years {Ed001's Note - I have to back up the Chelsea fan here, in that the Swiss Ramble is an excellent blog, though very in depth. Don't look at it expecting to read a couple of lines, there is always a lot in each post he does.}

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You a right about man utd and Liverpool as cash cows and Chelsea as a play thing.
How about this, how about being a spurs or an arsenal and actually try to run the club with a future in mind. It ain't just about now, except if you are a Chelsea or city fan.
My only gripe about Chelsea is that, the same as city, they are trying to roll over everyone, by using cash, just to get success.
It makes a mockery of your local club being supported just for the love of football and when you get big mouthed, know nothing, fans on here, goading and spouting nonsense, then every spurs fan on here had the right to reply any way they see fit.
The days of proper football banter have gone.
Big mouthed, glory hunting, know nothings have ruined that.
The more I.diot chav fans spout on here, the more stupid goading will happen.

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See look perky, a proper Chelsea fan who knows what he is talking about.
He hasn't just jumped on for the ride and he seems well informed.
A rarity amongst most Chelsea fans.

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In reality it is near enough impossible to run football as a normal business you neither have the same ability to hire and fire or look to cut your costs if you run into difficult times.
The majority of players are signed on 3, 4 or even 5 year contracts whilst this affords the clubs the chance to right the players transfer fee off over the period of the contract it causes huge problems if your results arent so good on the pitch and say dont qualify for the CL.
It will be very interesting this year as Arsenal, who have made a profit over the last few years, are in my opinion going to struggle to achieve a 4th or better place this season.
They wont get much more income frm property developmment so their whole business model is based on three major things. The first is to sell out the stadium.The next is to achieve a surplus from transfer dealings and last CL football.
Love or hate Wenger he has been a genius to achieve 4th or better for so many years but to do so without significant investment in quality players is all the more remarkable.
However at some point in time they are going to have to face a season or maybe two outside the top 4( CL prize money of say £25 million) and if they had a season with a defict in transfer trading ( player sales must have been worth at least £30 million a year over the last 3-5 years) and even if they do sell out for PL games the removal of say 4 CL games surely will cost another£12 million
My point is if these 3 ducks line up in a row for say 2 or 3 years then all of a sudden thier losses will mean they struggle to comply with FFP.

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What an utter load of tosh. I have just tried to understand most of what you have wrote. Very articulate yes, but complete rubbish.
You are using para phrases to try and justify Roman's billion spend.
Fact is still the same, you've still bought success. You can dress it up all you want. Roman has his target this season and RDM will still be sacked if he fails to achieve that target.
There is only 3 things certain in life......death.....taxes.....and abramovic sacking a manager!!!

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So the font of all knowledge. You clearly are privvy to what RA is thinking so what are his targets this year?
As for buying success the vast majority of clubs that have ever won anything have purchased the bulk of their players. Look at your 1961 double winning team for instance or how about your FA cup winning team of 1991.Was that buying success or what?

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For your info. 1991 FA cup starting 11

We bought gazza,lineker. Paul Stewart and thorstvedt.
For a grand total of 4.8 mill.
The rest where home grown. Pat van den how was free.
If you wanna include every player that cost a nominal fee, then you are a m.oron.
Tell you what, get abramovic to put his cheque book away. Sign all your players for nominal fees or home grown youth players only. Let's see what you win then. You will be back to mid table mediocracy with the rest of us 'small clubs'.
What really goades me, is that you chavs persist in the fact that you haven't bought your success. You are so blinded by Romans gold that nothing else exists.
If enic spent a billion on players in 10 years, I would expect to be a CL regular too. {Ed003's Note - bloody hell that takes me back,I was at the game at Bloomfield Rd,think it was round 3,jeez I'm getting old lol }

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I will guarantee you now, if RDM doesn't win the league, after spending another 100mill, then he will be down the road.
Not that difficult to work out is it??
But just incase, I see him spending another 50 to 70mill in January just to make sure your name appears on that trophy.
Seems a fair price tho, buy the championship for 150mill.

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Stupid comment.
You fill a squad with £1million players, then fill a squad with £50million players.
Who has the better chance of winning??
Your comment is pointless.
Our entire team Saturday cost less than Torres?
Would you expect to win?? But no wonder you go through so many managers when you don't win.

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You have the cheek to call a spurs fan on a spurs site 'the font if all knowledge' after all that drivel you have posted.

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If you read carefully I call him the font of all knowledge as he infers he knows what target RA has set RDM this year.
Moving on to my point that the vast majority of clubs that have success have purchased the bulk of the players its worth returning to the point I make about your 1991 FA cup winning team.
1991 was a different era in that there wasnt big monies to be made from commercial or indeed TV deals.
Spurs turover was estimated as being about £10-£12 million. Big money for a football club then.
Of the 13 players who started or came on as sub 11 were purchased.
Gascoingne cost £2 million, Linneaker £1.2 million,Walsh £1.5 million Sedley £750k,Van De Hawe £750k (not free as an early poster suggested) Thorstved, Nayim, & Allen cost £400k each,Mabbut £120k Edinburgh £120k. Even a £120k in 1991 was a decent wedge for a transfer and not nominal as was suggested
Only David Howells and Vinny Samways came through the ranks.
The cost of the 11 players brought by Spurs that played in that winning team cost £8.9 million.
Spurs were and still are a major mover in the transfer market.Yes Chelsea have paid a lot more for players but dont kid yourselves that you are a club that have won things with players that have come through the ranks.The sucess is on the back of players you purchased
Does that detract from your achievements? Of couse not but to supporters of clubs like say Southampton or indeed even Chelsea in those days it may have seen that you brought success.
(Poster retreats and puts on tin helmet)

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Sorry typo Paul Stewart cost £1.7 million (which at the time was a record fee for a player moving between 2 English Clubs) and Paul Walsh cost £500k .Which made the total £9,195,000.

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You really really are trying hard to justify roman's billions aren't you.
You really have too much time if you can spend all day on wiki.
It really doesn't distract from the fact that your recent success is built solely on Russian money.
If you would care to read the thread, this discussion started from a certain, big mouthed, chav giving it some and not being able to take certain responses.
If opposing fans want to post drivel on here, they need to be grown up enough to take abuse back.
You are right tho, every club has to spend money to survive but not to the extent of the chavs basically buying trophies and success by spending above everyone else 10 to 1.
If perky wants reasonable banter, then he needs to grow up a bit before posting.

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I am not trying to justify RAs spending in truth I dont need to nor am I ungrateful for it.Nor would I suspect that say Liverpool supporters were ungrateful for money from the Moores family or Newcastle for money from Sir John Hall
As for Banter well thats fine and yes if someone comes on to sites such as this giving it large well yes they should expect it back.
As for why I spend time on here I wasnt aware that I had to justify it but hey aint the internet great!
In he past the majority of supporters historically spent little or no time looking at clubs balance shhets or they really were interested in what was in the trophy cabinet now the red tops feed a line or two and bang raw jealousy is unleashed. {Ed001's Note - the Moores family never put any money into Liverpool, they took money out. It was the refusal of Moores to put any money or take on any risk that stopped the club refurbishing Anfield or building a new stadium when they could afford it. I would think of a better example if I was you!}

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Hey matey, the day I am jealous of a Chelsea fan, is the day i give up on football.
I'm a spurs fan through and through and will support them even in the depths of division 2 as I love my club no matter what through thick and thin.
I would never look on another club with jealousy or envy as I tend to pity aresenal and Chelsea fans for having to support such tripe. (my opinion only).
Again, my comments about your financial stupidness are only my opinion and any reference of jealousy, which you brought up, must be dormant inside you to make such a comment.
Maybe you are jealous of our localised football roots and top support and atmosphere.
It doesn't take us to be successful, to see more spurs shirts worn in town, unlike others I could mention with a support that seems to swell with every £10million spent.
Now, if you want to comment again on here in you patronising manner, then I suggest you look at yourself first and ask yourself....
'what's wrong with me??'

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Again you try to justify your trophy purchases by trying to bring up other clubs.
Sad, very sad.

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Sorry Ed01 you are wrong.
Whilst I would agree that David Moores (the chap that sold Liverpool to Higgs and Gillete)wouldnt / didnt put money in liverpool FC both Sir John Moores and Cecil Moores(David Moores uncle) did. Indeed Sir John owned 51% of the shares which was passed on to David
To entice Shankley from Huddersfield John Moores gave Liverpool FC £60k but because he couldnt be involved in an offical capacity at Liverpool he appointed a chap called Saywer to run Liverpool. Sawyer invested monies from the Littewoods empire into Liverpool and at the same time Sir John who was the chairman at Everton put significant sums into Everton {Ed001's Note - and took it all back out again. But you conveniently forgot to mention that.}

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My goodness talk about touching a nerve. Whats all this about localised support? So Spurs arent trying to tap into the global market of coures they are.
The reality is that to those that run clubs finacial success (shirt sales etc) are hugely important.
Top atmoshere is interesting as the thing I used to notice was just how loud WHL was but on Saturday it reminded me of Highbury.
Yes I am jealous of what SAF has achieved at Man U and what AW has achieved at Arsenal and yes I want that level of success at Chelsea are you saying you dont want to win things at Spurs?

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Oh I forgot to say that I applaud supporters that support their club through thick and thin (I have been there) and just like you I have eyes only for one club
The irony of all this is that in May 1997 I choose Chelsea to support in the Fa cup final whereas I could have quite easily choosen Spurs. Hence why Chelsea for me.
I have no issues about anyone supporting their team, be they Spurs Man U or whoever if they go to a match now and then, but I really do have a problem when TV warriors say " My team"
Hey thanks for the debate and best we agree to disgree. Just as it should be.

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23 Oct 2012 15:15:32
David Bentley could soon be back at Tottenham after an ankle injury in Russia.

DeLaRusso

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Oh wow woopy , cant wait .
Davo

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23 Oct 2012 14:17:18
I do not think Dempsey, Siggi or Gallas are good enough for a team hoping to make CL place. Also think Assou Eketto(think I spelt that wrong) can not defend. If you look at the table, only the bottom six teams have conceded more goals then us and for the last number of years we have been in the bottom half for goals conceded. Someone said, " if you concede no goals you can not lose". Does anyone know why we always concede goals?
The Don

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That's why we got to put Lloris in, he's a world class keeper that'll keep us safe! It doesn't matter that Friedel is on form.

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I think you are wrong in your assessment of our players. Support the team ffs

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23 Oct 2012 13:54:52
I could understand not wanting to break Friedels game streak, but after he put Lloris in goal against Villa and keeping a clean sheet. I don't understand why he then went back to Friedel, it must be confusing the whole team.
R92

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Agree with you. When we decided to sign Lloris, he should have been installed as first choice with Brad back up. Lloris is world class and is our future. Pity if we start his career with us by totally pissing him off. He has only conceded one goal in the three games he played ( and that was Dawes fault) so why was he dropped?Will Brad hold his place after letting in 4?
The Don

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