Spurs Banter Archive December 16 2013

16 Dec 2013 23:32:27
Evening gents, Gooner here in peace (I bet you never thought you would ever see those words lol)
I can't believe none of you have mentioned Roberto Di Matteo as your next manager, a very good manager IMO.
In his first season at WBA he got them promoted from the championship, and when he took over at Chelsea he won the FA cup and the Champions League, beating Bayern Munich in final, as well as pipping your boys to 4th spot in the prem.
I don't think he's in a job at the moment and IMO he's a much better manager than AVB. You could certainly do a lot worse.
Just my opinion boys, feel free to agree/disagree.

Please not another Chelsea reject

Chelsea finished 5th, below Tottenham! They also played very boring defensive football and got outrageous good luck in almost every game Chelsea played under Di Matreo. No thanks.

Actually they came 6th below Newcastle and Di Matteo picked up less Epl points than AVB in his time in charge. So no thank you.

Sherwood will be manager. I said this before AVB was appointed that he would be next in line after the next appointment. He is being fast tracked and will be caretaker Manager. I would also expect Chirs Ramsey to have to greater role in the club than just a coach, as he is well respected in the game.

16 Dec 2013 21:51:56
I feel the way forward, and with the support of most fans would be to appoint Tim Sherwood as head coach. He knows the club, he is well respected within the club and would happily work in the current set up.

The business model that is at Spurs, with a DOF who selects the players to purchase means we won't have to strip the club of players that AVB signed, because AVB didn't sign them.

Get Tim in, get behind the lads and let's get some confidence and stability with the players. Change the style of play to a more 'Tottenham' way i.e. posession, counter attack with pace and style. Go back to a 4-4-2, with Soldado and Lamela up front and get back up the damn table #COYS!

Brilliant post, totally agree but I am worried that Sherwood will rely to much on the old heads of the team, so we will see even more of Defoe, Daws etc . Yes they have been good servants but time has come to say goodbye! I know we won't play the defensive high line but Daws still isn't good enough!

16 Dec 2013 20:38:52
I'm a glasgow rangers season ticket holder but I've always regarded tottenham as my english team, in my opinion I think spurs should give glenn hoddle the manager's job until the end of the season and once the world cup is finished I think spurs should go and get current usa manager and ex spurs player jurgen Klinsmann and make him their new manager, klinsmann's attacking style of management would suit tottenham to a 'T', what do you think spurs fans?I've got a small question for all the spurs fans, which club do the majority of spurs fans prefer between glasgow rangers or glasgow celtic?gough4

16 Dec 2013 17:00:04
who do you all think will take over at :
tottenham-
west brom-
and west ham as allardyce ain't got long left?

Yous aswell edds!

{Ed008's Note - Ed013 has applied for the job and i will be his assistant and lead Spurs to the glory days..

Just don't let baldini and levy control use!

I think West Ham may go for Steve Clarke if Big Sam goes,

WBA I thinnk may go for Martin Jol being an ex player

Tottenham, not sure, Capello seems early favourite especially with his connection with Baldini, Would love to Klopp or Bielsa. IMO Think Levy may take his time over this decision to ensure he gets it right especially after spending £100m.

What about Guus Hiddink? Anyone

Would love Hiddink, but isn't he lined up for Holland after World Cup? Also thought Cappello was on mega money with Russia?

Would love either Heynckes or Bielsa! Both would be right for us

I thought bielsa at first but I just have a feeling sherwood and hoddle till end of season then klinsman.

16 Dec 2013 21:55:07
I think you are all missing a great potential manager who may well be available. Malky Mackay

Unnamed poster - good call.

Manchini and Platt anyone?

You should have never sacked harry and maybe the spotlight should be shown on the man who hires all these managers . he might be a good finance man but he hires and fires managers for the crack and each time your club goes through the ringer. hiddink is a top coach but would he work with baldini . anyway thanks for the points on sunday but the season is not even halfway so chin up lads as you have a good squad

16 Dec 2013 15:33:59
I can see levy ordering baldini to take charge until the end of the season.

16 Dec 2013 14:12:36
I am So happy and relieved at this news. We would not have wished for this in our worst nightmares but AVB was never the right man. Honestly why we take a Chelsea reject I will never know. Had it not been for Bale this guy would have been found out long since.levy done the right thing in acting fast. Hope to God it's not Hoddle. Seriously have you Guys forgotten just how bad he was. Fingers crossed

16 Dec 2013 12:19:19
Can't see the new man being British, not with Baldini as DoF, whoever it is will need to accept working with Baldini and not having the final say on transfers, a foreign coach is more accustomed to this system.

16 Dec 2013 11:15:30
AVB has now inevitably been sacked, now let's see what happens, maybe hoddle will take to the end of season, personally I think it was the right decision unfortunately as avb couldn't turn things around.

I also think that if someone sets the players out correctly we can turn the season round immediately.

Onwards and upwards.

COYS

Tim Sherwood or Glenn Hoddle for me

I do feel for him, needing to bed in 7 new players. But I feel that it's his stubbornness that has cost him another job.
When there are injuries to your back line and you're fielding Dawson, Capoue & Naughton, against a Suarez, Sterling & Coutinho, you can not afford to play the high line.

Capello looks to be favourite, I would love for Laudrup to come in. Attack minded and plays the sort of football that we want to get back to seeing

Let's face or we going to end up with Capello with his ties with Baldini it just seems inevitable. I personally do not see Hoddle as the man for the job but you never know. Laudrup would be my choice as he'd get us attacking and organised. You asked me for positivity 643, does his sacking help with the positivity? Lol

16 Dec 2013 12:09:37
Glen hoddle

Lmfao

Tim Sherwood. Come on, we need a proven manager

16 Dec 2013 12:21:25
Hopefully Michael laudrup will take over

We had the best manager I've seen at spurs for years and got rid of him. Ok he didn't always see eye to eye with Levy. I bet Harry's laughing now.

I have no doubt if HR had these players we would be scoring goals.

As for AVB's comments yesterday we've had the most shots so far this season. He needs to have another look, 90% of them shots just about made the bl00dy goal.

AVB - Hasn't a clue how to man manage furthermore plays a high line in defence with the slowest defender in the league in Mr Dawson (who has been our worst player this season by far). come on you don't even get away with this over Hackney marshes.

Tim Sherwood until end of season I reckon.

Yeah because proven managers have worked so well for us. We need a man that understands the club the supporters and the mentality. We need someone who understands the prem and feels for the club. Klinnsman would not work that's just sentiment, capello, don't make me laugh, best managers out their like Klopp won't come so why not try Sherwood til end of the season. New English talent rather than usual foreign failures.

1985 honestly I think his sacking is very positive. Someone new will play the way we are supposed to and turn things round we have a great squad.

You know for the start of last season dembele and sandro were amongst if not the best midfield pairing in the premiership yet he hasn't let them play together once, not in the same roles as last season anyway.

Regardless what people say about BAE there is no comparison to having Naughton. BAE has never been as poor as yesterdays display.

That said I do worry who gets brought in but don't think it will be soon. I think most of the names mentioned with odds is sheer speculation and as of yet no one has a clue, I guess at sherwood for the mean time.

looks like a hard start for whoever as seems next game is Capoue and Fryers to start in defence.

643 I really do hope your right, with the names being mentioned I'm not to sure our options of a good manager are that great. Hoddle back in charge, some people really do have short memories. Yes he was good when attacking but terrible defensively and we're leaking so many goals that needs sorting. Capello, well 'could' be a great manager for us but so 'could' any manager. I think we're in for another transition season and a lot more disappointment this year. But that said we are still THFC and I think our team need the fans at full volume for the rest of the season.

Hoddle could work this time around but if he doesn't it will probably seem worse than another foreign manager failing. I think the game has moved on more to what suits Hoddle's tactical expertise and approach in the past 10years. The reality is you generally can't stop a Man City or Chelski if they're completely rampant so need to be able to cause them problems yourself. With 'lesser' teams, they're going to park the bus at WHL if we come on to them so you need to be able to unlock that and protect from the odd counter. Harry did it often, AVB slowed it down and let teams into those games far too softly. Hoddle would change that and can also see the fragility of our defensive tactics if you've listened to him, mind you most have seen and exploited them anyway so should be something relatively simple to improve!

16 Dec 2013 10:21:31
Mr Levy,

Please pull your finger out and show Mr AVB the door and quick, I want my Tottenham back.

I know people will say give him time or he the one to take us forward, blah blah blah.

But everybody has been slating Levy for not spending cash, then he goes and spends over £100m (albeit not NET) and I don't think I have every witnessed such a poor, slow and clueless Spurs team in years and that has to be down to the Manager and Staff. Every football Manager/fan/player and even my wife can see where we are going wrong. The only people who seem oblivious to it are AVB and his Staff, He failed badly at Chelsea because he turned a good footballing team into a pile of sh** and the Russian got rid of him and he's done the same to us, 2 years ago we were a feared team lots of pace and quick passing and movement it was fluent. 1 year ago we had a player feared by all in Bale who helped paper over the cracks that AVB created, now 2 years on we are a laughing stock, feared by no one, teams now look forward to playing us especially at home.

We have struggled time and again this season, so far this season including cups we IMO have played 1 decent carling cup game Vs Villa and 2 decent 45 mins in the PL Vs Everton and Newcastle.

Look at the League games we have taken point from this season.

Crystal Palace - Very lucky - Penalty won the game
Swansea - Played poorly -Penalty won the game
Norwich - Win against a very poor team
Cardiff - Poor performance - Last Min goal
Chelsea - Average Performance - Good point
Villa - Good result, against a poor team
Hull - Played poorly - Penalty won the game
Man Utd - Average performance against a poor team - all in all good point
Fulham - Played poorly - Fulham deserved more
Sunderland - Played poorly - Needed an own goal to win.

When you analyse the above games only Chelsea and Manchester United are games were if we are honest we would usually be happy with a point, take that 2 out and we have beaten nobody of any real quality and struggled to the results.

We dominated our Europa league group but again against teams that are around lower championship/top half league 1 quality at best and in half of these games we struggled Sheriff 2-1 at Home for example.

I think now is time for honesty for all Spurs fans, Bale papered over some huge cracks last season, which this season are being horribly exposed and IMO it is completely down to AVB. He needs to go and go NOW.

{Ed008's Note - Looks like you've got your wish..

Ed008,

I have got mine and probably 99% of spurs fans wish.

I would like tempt fate once again and ask Mr Levy for either Bielsa or Klopp to come in please. Preferable Klopp.

Eds, apart from Capello, who do you think we might get?

{Ed008's Note - 99%? I think your wrong with that number i have a lot of friends who are disgusted with the decision and wanted him to be given time as that's what happens when you sign 9+ foreign players with no experience of playing in the Premiership. I think the management team will be made from ex Spurs players or coaches who are still at the club i don't think Capello is an option as he's under contract with Russia and has a World Cup to prepare for. Their's not a lot of great managers about to come into the job with that experience to do the job Levy wants you want Bielsa? He plays a very similar system to AVB so most fans would be complaining within a couple of weeks. Baldini wants to work with Capello they had a relationship at England for me the blame has to be attached fairly with AVB,Baldini and Levy..

Fair points Ed008,

Still believe the numbers are higher for fans wanting him gone.

I sort of agree that he was not given time, but I think his ignorance and unwillingness to change was inevitably his down fall. Also with the DOF deciding on transfers has this been on the cards?

Eds, although Sherwood is highly thought of in the club, is he someone the players would respect?

{Ed008's Note - The was the same problems with the 4231 system at the beginning of last season he persisted with it and the season was a success imo, i still don't understand why Levy insisted on a DOF to work with AVB after his 1st season his transfer signings that season were really good none of those signings were considered failures and Adebayor is not a AVB signing he's a Levy signing 100% i believe.. i think the fans are 50/50 only 5pts behind 4th place and they were in a far worse position in a similar period last season remember losing 3 games back to back in November last year? Or the failure to win any of the first 3 games against weak opposition? AVB doesn't and wont get the credit he deserves i might across a little biased as i'm huge fan of his work as a manager. Sherwood and Ferdinand i believe will be working together i don't know if it's the respect that's the problem because looking at Spurs team they all seem a great bunch of people in terms they won't cause trouble hence Adebayor being left out of the squad all together it's the tactics he decides to play and if he can get the best out of the players Tottenham don't have the players to play 442 no matter what any Spurs fan says, Harry played 4411 the majority of his career at Spurs and it's a successful formation if tactics involving the wingers and the 10 role is done correctly.

16 Dec 2013 04:31:40
Hey reds fan in peace but had a quick question, do you think it is the players or the manager who is at faults for how you have performed this season? Don't follow spurs much but have a lot of players who aren't performing well who I think are good players and can't believe that they aren't good players. For example I can't believe that Soldado, Eriksen, Dembele, Paulinho (who starts for Brazil) and Lamela are all average players. Think a lot of them are good players who aren't performing and curious if you blame the manager or players for lack of application? I personally think you needed to invest more into your defense, full backs particularly but don't see how a lot of highly rated players aren't performing

As you say, nothing wrong with those players but a manager who doesn't know how to change a system when needed, can't motivate his players, won't listen, and insists on playing players out of position!
I am not sure that the players know what's wanted of them . We have two defenders that wouldn't get in the San Marino national team, but he keeps playing them, plays negative slow boring football! If we lose 5-0 but try, you could accept it!

The players aren't performing to there best, the manager is too stubborn to change a system that may compliment the players.

A high line against an attack of Suarez Sterling & Coutinho is suicide even with the best of defences, but when you have 4 of your best defenders injured, what do you expect.

You showed us up boys, an excellent display from you. Congratulations, but I still have a feeling that we will be around you come the end of the season

I think this is a classic case of trying to make the players fit the system rather than a system that fits the players. It takes time to create a new style, and maybe AVB tried to do it too quickly?

The only thing about AVB that annoyed me was his love of playing people out of position. It's difficult to build chemistry when people are moving all over the place every week.