Spurs Rumours Archive January 08 2013

 

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08 Jan 2013 22:23:11
Some late developments. Oracle could be right about damaio coming to the lane. Very likely. Sneijder definitely WONT be coming to white hart lane.

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The only way D.L well put a serious bid in for Damiao (or any other top drawer striker) is if Defoe get injured. {Ed008's Note -

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08 Jan 2013 11:19:10
Younes Belhanda has been spotted in North London, heading to Tottenham's training ground for preliminary talks with the club.

The 22 year old with be secured for a fee of around £12 million.

Parker Bear :P

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Could you please explain why they would have PRELIMINARY talks at the training ground.

dave

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I very much doubt this just yet. But no way will I rule it out in the not-too-distant future.

TSGMO

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Belhanda is merely part of a wider contingency option. His ability to play on the right wing has some obvious benefits, but he is a little one dimensional. Right footed with limited appeal in the air, not even close to the pace of Lennon, and in my opinion offers even less than Townsend as a package.

I accept his goals and assist have been impressive recently, but please do not compare the woeful Ligue 1 with the Premiership. John Utaka is the reason for the impressive ratio of both Belhande and Remy Cabella who has scored and assisted 9 like Belhanda. Utaka's hold up play has allowed the midfield to run into spaces around the box, but teams like Evian, Reims, Brest, Troyes, Nancy, Valenciennes, Bastia, Nizza and L'Orient are hardly Liverpool, Tottenham, Man City, Man United, Everton or even as bad as Arsenal.

Belhanda reminds me of a Jermaine Jenas type player, flattered for country against Niger and Mozambique, but is nothing more than ordinary. He has some fast ball control, but would have far less time an space in the Premiership.

All I will say is please pray to the Lord that other options happen, as this would be a bad signing. Montpellier are after £12.5m which would be crazy money when you consider Eriksen, Willian and Moutinho are available for around £20m.

Of course there are some players like Eden Hazard & Hugo Lloris that were able to transfer the hype to the Premiership from Ligue 1, but most players from Ligue 1 have been a shadow of their former ability.

Hugo Lloris will clearly add some value in the process, but I for one remain totally inconvinced by any form from Ligue 1.

The Oracle

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So is the French league any worse than the Portuguese league? The Russian league or even the Dutch league? Can you see where I'm coming from?

Rufus

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Yes Oracle because form in the Ukrainian, Portuguese and Dutch leagues is a far greater indication of transferability to the premier league and players such as Benzema, Kaboul, Lloris, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Hazard, and Giroud are all terrible.

He reminds me of a younger Ben Arfa, and although you are right to say his pace won't give him an edge over other players, we already have players with amazing pace and Belhanda brings a different aspect of the game in the form of creativity, flair, great technique, and the vision to split a defence with a pass - something we have been in need of since VDV left the squad. His physical attributes are good for the type of player that he is.

Adam

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Get over yourself oracle ffs! We have to read your rubbish day in day out, so don't jump on other peoples so called rumours !!

Much love

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Oracle, believe it or not but you'd make a good journalist.

Jermain.

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A good journalist cos of the sheer and utter plausibility of his fiction you mean? He has a certain articulation, I agree and the stories are delivered with just enough convincers and assertion that your average red top reader would easily lap them up as gospel.

But he is in with a few sharper teethed sharks in here and I think he just likes
being bitten....

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First time I've agreed with the big O on anything.
Willian and Moutinho have proved themselves in European club competition at the highest level. Unsure about Eriksen and AVB doesn't want him.

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08 Jan 2013 09:45:51
French newspaper L'Equipe claims this morning that Tottenham have opened talks with Younes Belhanda, the Montpellier midfielder who had been close to joining Fenerbahce.

The 22-year-old midfielder fits the profile laid down by Spurs chairman Daniel Levy as a young up-and-coming player that could be sold for a huge price in a few years.

Belhanda has been hugely impressive in recent seasons, winning the Ligue 1 title with Montpellier last season and would undoubtedly improve almost every Premier League side, including Tottenham.

In 2011/2012, Belhanda scored 12 goals, so far this season the Moroccan playmaker has notched six times, including a Panenka style penalty against Spurs' north London rivals Arsenal, in September.

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I still think this would be a fantastic signing, I can't see it happening but we can hope!

Adam

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Doubt we will sign another midfielder unless it is moutinho zaha or willian. Zaha overrated.

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Hasnt he agreed terms with fernebache

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Zaha and Belhanda are not coming to Spurs. I am not sure where these two stories have emerged from because they are not on the acquisition plans.

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And what aquasitions plans are those then. no namer please if you are smart enough to know our planned purchases sign your post

derbyshire dave

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If we're not interested in Belhanda for 10-15 million but we are interested in Willian for 20+ million then there is something very wrong with our "acquisition plans"

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Ed is there any truth in this? I've watched the lad play a few times and he quick, powerful and scores goals


Jamie {Ed001's Note - it seems to be conjecture, based on knowing Spurs have an interest in him and could possibly move for him.}

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He is not coming to spurs! There's no truth in the deal whatsoever.

Jermain

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08 Jan 2013 00:30:35
Daniel Levy has the contractual terms and tender proposals. Expect an imminent bid for Damiao, and feel assured than the proposal contain suitable risk management . Player exchange as well as upfront and staggered terms are all within the options available.

Expect Damiao to be at the Lane soon, and lets hope Levy can return with some notes in his briefcase. If he can somehow orchestrate Gomes into the deal, then it will surely be a belated Christmas gift.

Damiao will not be the end as Levy has vowed to capture one midfielder in addition. Willian is still very possible, Moutinho is equally viable, but Eriksen seems to be slipping. The scouts are keen to capture the brilliant Eriksen, AVB is pushing for Willian and Moutinho and Levy is adamant that Snejder is the right man. I have to say that any of the above together with Damiao will cement our top 4 position.

The Oracle

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I'm with the scouts

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No one on this site has any idea about contractual terms and proposals. You do spout some nonsense. I agree the growing press makes me believe we are highly interested in players your toon but until its on SSN its all talk.
The contracts go between mr levy and his lawyers, the agent and the club. There is no wag you could know what or where these negation a are unless you are one of the 10-15 people putting this deal together all of which will have signed a non-disclosure contract.

LAspur

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£200 grand a week?, you must be nuts if you think levy wants Sneidjer on those wages!!

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As i said two days ago the oracle waits a couple of days...scribbles his lies until he has the perfect draft and then posts here.
I really hope your right this time...because the continued grief you will receive will be unbearable to read.
Y i d mark

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Mate the part about risk management doesn't even make any sense. explain to me how Levy can do risk management on Damaio??

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I am sure you can do a risk management assessment on a player if you thought it was needed but the point is orafice is just regurgitating the papers.
LASpur

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I have been saying it for 2 years and 4 transfer windows, but I (still) hoping your right this time Oracle. Given the volume of other stories matching yours, finally it looks like you might be right...

Flippit.

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Blah blah blah, more of the same old naysayer nonsence I hear every day. No rationale, no viable contrary opinion, just the same bullying yobbery I have come to expect.

When Damiao signs you will say it was in the press like you did when I told you Berbatov and Modric would sign only to be proved right many months later.

Flippitt, LASpur, person Mark. COYMFS, Northernspur, yodmark and Espur are all the same. Never add any value themselves and yet assume the mantle of judge and jury over everyone elses posts.

Pathetic and soon to be proven wrong.

The Oracle

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Not a spurs fan but just wondering what you mean by risk management Oracle?

Campbell

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Not said yoh are wrong I said that the nonsense about contracts is rubbish.

LAspur

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Even a broken watch is right twice a day. I think Leandro may well arrive this month because Internacional have a few problems of their own, no other clubs have followed up any interest to push a price near to their hoped for price, Damiao himself is thinking about a move although granted tempered by thoughts of the world cup and whether he would be better to stay till then
All in all we are maybe in a better position to tie up a deal now, he suits Levy's mo, young, good potential for improved sell on price and AVB likes him. If he does arrive though it really doesn't prove that the info is anymore accurate or worthy as the previous windows when he didn't arrive

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Oracle, when you make these predictions window after window and get them wrong; when you fail to predict signings that actually do occur and claim you did predict them or for some ambiguous reason only know of big signings - you absolutely set yourself up for this kind of ridicule.

As the above poster mentions, even a broken watch is right twice a day. Even if/when your predictions come to fruition, your mentioning of each and every potential signing with varying levels of certainty, makes you appear no different to any other contributor claiming itk, whether you have inside knowledge or not.

hk_yod

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Risk Management has been questioned a few times, so let me help explain what it is. In the past Spurs have targeted a player and then tried everything to get the player to sign. This has resulted in players joining on terms that retrospectively did not fit within typical risk controls. In addition the failure to control and mititgate risk throgh contingency planning has been void. Damiao and Moutinho are both examples of players who have failed to sign leaving the club vulnerable to associated risk and loss.

To simplify the point lets look at the failure to sign Damiao in the last 3 windows. The acquisition in the past would have literally followed the basic process of transfer fee, weekly remuneration and age in terms of future resale value. The recent changes would include the contingency of other players as a benchmark for negotiation, and the projected loss based on complex algorithms. The loses would include the risk of not doing something rather than the very blinkered process of evaluating the risk of doing it. For example what was the risk of not achieving Champions League, and the projected costs of the associated risk. This would have far exceeded the actual financial projection of the player acquisition alone.

The overall process is very comprehensive and complicated, but in its simplistic terms it takes a hill top view of the battle, rather than the one in the midst of battle. This delivers more informed decision making and dramatically mitigates any potential loss.

Hope that helps a little.

The Oracle

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Absolute gibberish

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No, not gibberish at all! What Oracle is saying is pretty much spot on in that for any process of player acquisition, there is (at least in well managed scenarios) analysis of details pertaining directly to the fiscal details of the deal ie transfer fee, wages, bonuses, on-sell percentages, agent fees etc.

In the broader peripheral of risk management though, you'd expect (definitely from the likes of DL) analysis on the differing financial outcomes of the deal and whether it goes through. A few rudimentary examples relating only to CL qualification:
1. Acquiring the player (and therefor the associated financial obligations) and qualifying for champions league (with the financial bonuses that accompany qualification)
2. Acquiring the player and not qualifying
3. Not acquiring the player and qualifying
4. Not acquiring the player and not qualifying

Obviously each scenario brings different ramifications, not only in a direct financial sense but of wider scope to the club. Sponsors, merchandise sales, future player recruitment are all effected by the above and via algorithm can be measured/forecast. Risk Management? Absolutely!

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You can't help some people, even when simplifying concepts. For some need to chain the genetic wiring to comprehend even the most basic principles.

Dear oh dear oh dear.......

The Oracle

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Fantastically put, very entertaining, amusing.... And completely nonsensical. I love it.
Somersetspur

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Doesn't that tell you something oracle that all those names say the same thing about you??
We don't post any 'news' oracle because, unlike you, we don't pretend to know anything.
By the way, your posts are full of absolute nonsense. You use words that are not for a football banter site. Most are unreadable. If you are trying to make yourself sound clever, it doesn't work.
Come back down to earth please.

COYMFS.

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And that is the talk of the worst salesman in the world!

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Absolute rubbish! A hilltop view? Give it a rest Oracle, pull my finger?

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Scatter scatter scatter, then abuse abuse abuse.

Oracle you are not only a plank, but a repeatative boring plank.

BORE OFF

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Dear oh dear it goes from bad to worse, does anyone honestly think Daniel Levy has not always considered factors like potential failure to secure CL revenue against possible costs incurred paying above certain prices for players. Why do you think we have failed to meet asking prices before now, basically because rightly or wrongly he won't pay above a certain price that he is prepared to pay given all factors he feels relevant. Nothing has suddenly changed

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A bit of advice for you Oracle - if you want to sound like a football ITK, cut the whimsical wannabe-poet nonsense and stick to simple, straight-forward sentences. It is far more effective. You're trying to sound like a board member but you simply don't.

Your efforts to explain basic cost-benefit analysis and scenario planning in terms of "complex algorithms" doesn't make you sound any more ITK. The fact you think Daniel Levy has only recently become familiar with the fundamentals of business proves you know nothing about the inner workings of Spurs or any other football club.

hk_yod

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Simply put, big words do not mask the fact that you speak absolute garbage oracle. I have used this site for a couple of years and I don't think you have ever given us anything we hadn't heard before.
We really need holtby and a striker, sort out willian or equivalent in the summer.

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So, Ceefax, you use a whole paragraph of superfluous sentences with spurious syntax and sense (now you've got me at it)to simplify this:

Levy plays so late in the transfer windows that he misses his main targets and has no plan B?

Would you like a translator Oracle, I'm fairly cheap?

Tonytonytone

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07 Jan 2013 23:47:41
Futbol Mercado is tweeting we have made a 18mil euro bid for diamao

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I think what oracle means is a structured deal. It would involve payments based on appearances for club and country and sell on fees rather than a straight up cash deal.

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