22 Jun 2013 20:11:34
paulinho is not in the lineup tonight. Is there a possibility that he would be allowed to leave the squad to talk to spurs and his agent?
Twisted ankle
Twisted ankle my ar*e, he's on the phone to Levy. Brazil didn't need him tonight and was probably granted free time to finalise his deal to spurs.
Gabriel.
Having just read his interview regarding our bid, he doesn't seem that keen to join us. Fingers crossed we get him but I'm not 100% confident we will.
Wish it was Bernard with the 'twisted ankle' rather than flipping Paulinho. Not what we need at all IMO! Everyone around is strengthening and we finished below them. So we need to buy much better players than we already have. Not him! Levy needs to get his cheque book out and give it some abuse this one summer.
Josh
Josh, sorry to say but Pauliniho will be a tremendous signing. I understand that it's not a desperate position to fill but with Parker and Huddlestone looking like they are leaving we need a replacement. He'll become our best cm player as he really is a quality player.
I just think that amount of money could be better spent. Firstly, it's a 50/50 chance a player coming from brazil will succeed. He's already played in Europe and ended up going back to Brazil! Secondly, we've signed recently several players that are central midfielders, and before spending a huge amount of money on a position where we're strong, why not invest in a position where we are pee poor, up front. I can't see us making two signing as expensive as that in one window, so I worry who will be playing up top this season. If we got a quality striker, we'd have a magnificent spine to our team.
Josh
Josh, Paulinho's a box to box midfielder and likes to grab a considerable amount of goals himself. He'll get more goals then Huddlestone, Parker and Livermore combined. I agree that we should be trailing Bernard however, do we really need him? great player but we have Townsend and Falque looking promising and both did very well out on loan.
Gabriel.
We think he COULD score a fair amount of goals. My main point is, for the money we 're spending, we could spend more wisely in Europe. I just don't like the amount of money we're apparently spending on him to be honest. 8-10 mil, fair enough. But 17? I just don't see that's he's worth that. That's unless AVB has 50 million available or something.
Josh
Gabriel,
You seem to have to much confidence/faith in our youngsters, they're out on loan for a reason. They can't get into the 1st Eleven, Falque is not good enough, Townsend the same.! These are not CL players, maybe not even PL players, please don't say they're on loan to get match fitness because they're out on loan to be put in the shop window for £2 to £4 Million, we need CL type players, I'm 100% sure AVB & Baldini are aware of this.
We need to act sooner rather than later though.
Why o why did we bring baldini in when we already have our own specalist in this department JOSH whilst you don't talk rubbish you should recognise that there are people even more qualified than you on this subject who see our whole squad week in week out and they are making the decisions for players they feel they need to enhance our club and THEUR reputation so josh, you can rest assured that these (if they do) signings have been contemplated and we haven't just popped in with a bid for a laugh. please let the extensive management team we have do their job and enjoy the fact we have realised our targets and are going to get them. I think AV realises the need for a striker so don't worry my friend. well at least not yet anyway.
derbyshire dave
Dr-THFC, how can you say that when they've never had a run of games amongst a strong first 11. Walker was not good enough at first so was sent out on loan for a year just like Townsend and Falque. So are Insinuating if Carroll gets sent out on loan he's not good enough for Spurs.
Sometimes it's good for a club to promote their own youngsters that they have spent years trying to develop. I find your opinion inaccurate.
Gabriel.
Gabriel,
Thats exactly my point, they haven't had a run of games because they're not good enough.
As for Carroll He's ok I wouldn't go all out to say he's great, other teams have youngsters who produce, are you saying these lads are as good as Wiltshire.
Dave, of course I'm not part of the management set up, but that's doesn't mean what they're doing is right. Every team has made cock up signings, we 've made several. Franco Baldini, as we all know from his time with England, isn't infallible. Every day I read things online that make more sense than what football managers do. I can tell you 30 things that I think Brandan Rogers did wrong last season that I think he could have changed and finished higher up on the table. Doesn't mean I think I'd make a better manager than him. But him being a better manager than me doesn't mean that every decision he would make would be better than mine. Just look at the way Daniel Levy has handled transfer windows recently. I think most of us on here could do a better job than he's done recently.
Josh
Careful with the Levy hating Josh otherwise people will think I have changed my name!
It's just ridiculous Davo. How anyone could not see how much of a guff job he's done recently is beyond me. And people think he's right just because he's in a position of power. Even more ridiculous.
Josh
Josh you clearly haven't read the other comments about what has been said with Davo. Points being made is about the constant slagging off not that he was wrong. Also that he's completely oblivious to the things that Levy has done for spurs. I can't believe nobody remembers the Alan Sugar days, correct me if I'm wrong but we are a much better side now, thanks to Levy!
Josh you rate Higuain and yet not Paulinho, your a silly boy.
Dr-THFC, you can only really see ones potential once they are bedded into a strong first 11. Just like wilshire for Arsenal.
Townsend and Carroll do have the ability but aren't ready yet which is why he (Townsend) was sent out on loan.
One season out on loan has done wonders for the young man.
What was your opinion of Townsend at QPR? He certainly did himself justice in my opinion. Last season he was the stand out player for QPR in my eyes.
Gabriel
Told you
Josh, thanks to Levy we manage to make a good club profit every single year. What I will say is, most of us get frustrated because he doesn't act quickly in the transfer market or doesn't seem ambitious enough for a team lurking around the top 4. If he flops us this summer with his bargain buys then a lot of fingers will point to his direction.
This summer we'll finally see if Levy is a hardcore Tottenham fan or a business man.
Gabriel.
You told him but you clearly didn't read my post. I wasn't saying anything negative towards him as a result of his comment about levy, correct me if I'm wrong. I was just saying that your comments about Levy are completely one sided as nobody has ever said Levy had got it 100% spot on but has improved us as a team. Look at the players we can attract and the league positions we have finished since his arrival. Don't bother responding I seriously don't expect you to understand!
True, our positions as a team have improved, we have one of the best managers in the game, a good backbone to the team and we can attract better players to the team. It's a shame he hasn't opened up the treasure chest and signed them, then we would be a better team, attracting better players!
Davo and josh think it is as simple as chucking money at a player, yet i'm sure they are the first to remonstrate about how much money chelski and citeh spend. of all things levy has done they would much rather we did a leeds, massively over spend and find ourselves in financial difficulties, rather then grow organically at a rate that does not extended before our means
Davo and josh how much would u ideally see levy spending?
They would see as much money spent as needed to win the league (hence why I've previously suggested such fans follow man city), problem is they seem to be confused between real life and football manager!
Shame you don't read other people's posts more often then, as I have never wanted Levy to bankrupt our club and have never suggested this! All I have ever said is he needs to stop sitting on the wallet and open it!
It's been proved that there are plenty of FORWARDS out there that are better than what we have got, and looking at prices they fall into, are not £30 plus million players who want massive wages! As I have stated before, one good CF, and a creative midfielder is all I want to see, £30/35 million at most for transfer fees. Half of that could be funded by kicking out the dross we have accumulated through previous managers and Levy panic buys!
As for football manager, never played it or even watched someone play it. Some of us have to work even in the school holidays.
Maybe you should give it a go then Davo, might give you more insight on how it's not as easy as you seem to think it is buying these players.
Didn't say it was easy either, then again I wouldn't mind trying for the 100's of thousands of pounds a year they get paid! Bit of a dream job, lots of pay to find good bargains for your team using someone else's money!!
Also, if the scouting network was in place, job is made easier.
I know it's hard to understand, but I will explain in simple English. This is a method most people except Daniel seems to be able to use!
( 1 ) Get some scouts to watch for decent players that not everyone else is watching
( 2 ) If the reports are as favourable as you would like them to be, act on it
( 3 ) make an offer your team can AFFORD, without pissing off your opposites.
( 4 ) Sign them up with plenty of time so they can gel with their team mates, not 2 weeks into the season because you are so tight.
( 5 ) Remember in business ( because as we are told, this is now a business not a sport ) you have to speculate to accumulate.
Simple rules to follow, even for children!
Ps. Most other chairmen seem to manage to get at least one good buy a year!
Davo,
I think even someone as simple as you can understand that scouting is easy these days with most teams knowing a potential star way before they've even hit 16. I. e Neymar or Kompany (who even I knew was going to be a top player at 16) and so on so scouting is sort of a dying art. It's more about finding a player who suits your system as opposed to a unknown quantity.
Also think you'll find we accumulate very well and to do that we must've done some speculating.
Lastly are you trying to imply we haven't made atleast 1 good signing a year? I can think of 3 from last year (Lloris, Vertongen and Dembele) don't you think they fall into the category of good buys? We've also signed players such as Bale (worth endless amounts of money), Modric (sold for 30ish million), Berbatov (again sold for 30+ million), Carrick (sold for 18million) shall I go on? Now if we fail to make these good signings you are talking about then how come we've managed to sell certain players for such high fee's?
The problem is Davo, the lack of signings your referring to is just the inability to secure a decent striker since the departure of Berbatov. This 1 mistake Levy has made seems to blind you to every other aspect he has succeeded in. Being a business man united claim yourself to be and you are single minded, look at the whole picture you may understand. It really is that simple even for children.
I take back about the one signing a year, and yes, I do get pissed off re our so so desperate need for investment in a striker. But scouts are needed, to find the buys that other clubs haven't noticed, so that we don't have to bankrupt our club. Not Dianiel sitting in front of the newspaper, seeing who the other clubs are chasing, ie, Siggs, Dempsey and then deciding with a week to go, oh haven't brought anyone yet, he must be a good player as other PL clubs are chasing him, let's make a cheap offer and piss everyone else off at the same time.
Fair comment Davo, our scouts could do better but think about it this way, if we had for example signed Michu or Benteke our fans wouldn't have been happy as they would've classed as bargin bin buys. Had they then not had the impact they did for thier respective clubs then Levy would've got slated for it.
It's kind of a lose, lose situation he's in. I'm sure we knew about both these players before they graced the Epl but didn't see them as the signings to take us to the next level.
Also to be fair the signings I mentioned above does go some way to proving our scouts can get it right (sometimes) because we signed world class talent nobody else was really interested in. Yes Dempsey was a poor signing by our standards but was ok as a squad player and pulled his weight when needed.
All that said as a fellow spurs fan we both want the same thing for our club (the league title) but have different views on the way this can be achieved. So let's both just hope this is a season to remember for all spurs fans.