Spurs Banter Archive December 15 2013

 

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15 Dec 2013 21:39:16
Funny how at the start of the season you guys, pundits even harry redknapp were talkin you lot up for the title! Now because youve had a few stuffings, and one from an apparently average liverpool team its because your manager is poor! Now let's get this straight, henderson man of the match, suarez untouchable, flanagan still has lennon in his back pocket, kyle walker is garbage, sterling destroyed naughton at 19 years of age, lucas and allen intelligently out played your so called powerful midfield and soldado? Well, couldn't hit a barn door the lad. Infact, he doesn't get the service to attempt to hit the barn door! Yet your that arrogant to try and talk down a liverpool side that has just gone to your place, haven't won their since 2008 and thrashed you 5-0! Can you read that? 1 2, 1 2 3, 1 2 3 4, 5-0. Your arrogance knows no bounds lads! On todays showing, there's more than one liverpool player would get into that spurs team without any shadow of doubt!

Ian the red

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Haha that made me laugh, well done mate

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Enjoy your moment! Because that's what it is.

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Yes you were good today and we were feeble but I haven't seen one Liverpool fan mention that we were playing with a midfielder as cb as Vertonghen, Chiriches and Kaboul are all injured. Imagine Liverpool with Henderson or Lucas as cb.

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16 Dec 2013 01:09:30
tha's because we have the strength in depth defensively. coates I injured, agger not fully fit. but we have capable replacements. you spent too much on overpriced players to replace bale. had you spent a lil more wisely you could have added more depth at CB as well

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Dont try and he be a smart ass because you look stupid. We have depth in cb, incase you didn't know spurs have Vertonghen, Chiriches and kaboul all injured. All of those are better than any of your cb's. Coates, the same Coates that you Liverpool fans want rid of as he is such a donkey?

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In fairness don't want to be cocky and spurs may pick up their game further on in the series but don't think you can blame injuries on the result. We are missing sturridge, gerrard, and enrique. With aspas, hendo, and agger just coming off of injury, so three of our starting XI gone and still performed well (also saurez banned for 6 games at the start of the season). Saying that Capoue at CB ruined your whole team but still think AVB made mistakes with his summer signings. Needed more CBs and still baffled no full backs were signed, you have no good RBs or LB (unless you play vertonghan who is your best CB) and spend £25 m on a young winger who can't get into the team whilst your manager had all summer to watch how Townsend had developed.

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Had to admit it, but Roland you are partially right . We should have sold Dawson and kept caulker, should have brought a left back! But Walker is twice the player that Johnson is!
As for Lamela, he is a good player but needs to play regular .
I just wish that AVB would stop changing the bloody team about every game, play with more tempo and play the players in their proper bloody positions!

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Rodgers won that battle 5-0, tactically he knew exactly what he was doing and I can only congratulate that, AVB has been found out a few times this season.
You can read my other comments about a high line vs Suarez and co, it is absolute suicide.

Congratulations Reds, but I feel you may have done us a big favour.

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In fairness I don't rate walker, but I can't stand johnson. Even during yesterday's game he infuriated me can't defend, gets caught out of position, and no longer contributes offensively. Is lazy as well, but seriously think England are in trouble at the World Cup because he will probably start and Saurez will have a field day with it

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Crafty Cockney and the rest. you boys do realise we were missing 4 first team players yesterday, Enrique, Stevie G, Agger and Sturidge and yet still managed to make your expensive team/squad look a very poor team. Just thought I'd clarify that little point for you.

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Not 4 first team players across the defence alone though was it?!
And, as for expensive squad, pot and kettle or what - Liverpool have spent fortunes in the past few years and look how long it's taken to finally look decent and be high in the table. However, it's December, not April or May.

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15 Dec 2013 20:30:55
Sorry to the Spurs fan's who stood by harry. The rest of you who wanted him out and the board the outed him ha ha ha. Honestly if he was still there now where could you be? for sure in the top 4. Probably in the second round of champions league. And I for one would of been afraid to be playing against you today. Not anymore. Liverpool played well but mostly because Spurs were awful. That high line your playing is not working. Liverpool exposed it almost everytime we had the ball. No space for your own midfield to play you got picked apart. Chin up Harry, who's crying now!

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Fully agree well put!

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To be fair I don't think Harry was sacked just due to footballing reasons, it was more to do with his media output and the England job. I do wonder though how he would if spent 100 mil

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15 Dec 2013 20:18:57
Enough now, we could tolerate boring football whilst we blended together but now we are in serious danger of finishing seventh or worse, no pressing play anywhere within the team, no penetration, no silky midfielder, slow to pass and now defending like a relegation team.AVB just has no system, no plan b and players who can influence a game.
pauliniho is suppressing us as an attacking force, I would put Ericksen in at 10 and stick with him for now and see if he can get the speed of the premiership after. A few games in a row
Injuries did not help but what was worse was we where poor going forward.
I could live with a defeat if we had at least gone down fighting
temp manager until the end of the season
Chadli, paulinio, capoue on the bench until they find form! Defoe not good enough to hold down a place so ship him on with a thanks for all you have done, Dawson time to go or play in Europe and cups, Lamela keep trying he must come good soon
Left back in January along with a sticker who is more than 5ft and who can hold the ball up and bring others into the game
4 4 2 at home.
Simply not good enough and time for a change.
Gutted

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Agree with most of your post, except for Capoue who IMO has been good when played in his natural midfield role and Chadli when he is fully fit will prove a good player and provide balance and competition on the left side.

A LB is a must in January.

As for AVB this needs to stand for Au revoir Villas Boas. Not sure who in but to be honest I don't think anyone could do any worse.

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We had one Benni but our manager thought we didn't need him and let him go out on loan

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{Ed008's Note - Have you seen Assou-Ekotto's twitter post about the game? He shouldn't wear the Spurs shirt again if you've seen it

I've seen the tweet. Completely disgrateful! I still belive AVB can turn this around. We have bought a lot of players and they are still settling in. Losing Bale was a big blow and we are still recovering. Once we get going and play the Spurs way we will be unstoppable. Trust me, we are going through a lot of pain and the moment but the glory will come. Just give him time. Fryers was a lot better than Naughton and expect to see him start more. Just one plus today!

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{Ed008's Note - Agree Fryers was a huge improvement, Naughton should have been taken off before h/t he's just a shocking player atm probably due to confidence..

Avb is clueless. Why not play high tempo attacking football now?!

I thought when you play with a high line such as Avb does that when you lose possesion the players are supposed to close down quickly and gain posession back. It seems that Avb doesn't know how to play the tactics he is known for!

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Mr G, Benny was a completely bloody liability who couldn't defend to save his life! We should have brought a new LB straight away!

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Problem is Rabbit, AVB doesn't play the Spurs way! Watching them play is like watching kids kick it around in the park!

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15 Dec 2013 20:05:36
Bet the board at Spurs are wishing they had not outed Harry now

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15 Dec 2013 20:05:23
If we're not good mate then I'd be watching out for your boys as there's always a team that slide down the league! As for one player you want, isn't he in Spain? one man team? mmmmmmmmmmm


Fully agree mate we got dominated by your whole team we are terrible, shows even more when you only have one player we would even want. Liverpool aren't even good yet we lose 5-0 goes to show how bad avb is, we allow players of this quality to shine and look like they are class, get avb out!

Marc643

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Tony mate I fully agree we may well be the team that slides down the league I have no doubt the longer avb stays the further we will slide, but make no mistake liverpool are not class you have Suarez sure but the rest are average. Selah if you get him would be a great signing and I like sturridge but I don't rate the rest of your team.

You team is allegedly playing great ours atrociously yet were only 6 points behind what's that tell you. But hey good result well done you can only beat the team that's put out against you and you beat the rubbish that you encountered today so enjoy well done!

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Marc643, if you seriously wouldn't swap Lucas, Henderson, Johnston Suarez and Sturidge for any of your players then enjoy mid table obscurity my friend.

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Mate you are so deluded it's unreal. Our team outplayed you not just suarez. We played the first 5 games without him and were above you. We now have sturridge and Gerard injured we beat you 5-0 easily. Tottenham are awful. You're where you are by lucky penalties look at our goal difference to yours?

Unlucky mate don't worry you can battle out with United for 7th place if that!

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Haha Henderson is pony hell no to him, Johnson is decent, Lucas for who Sandro your joking, Suarez prob best in the league right now and sturidge is good but the rest no thanks, which is prob why you have been mid table for the last few years, your just benefiting from the teams around you being mediocre at times man city, Chelsea, man u, and spurs

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Redmist that's the point we have been awful I'm just bringing you back down to earth you guys aren't that hot you just beat a useless team.

Like bale Suarez will leave and he will be irreplaceable but hey good win as I said you can only beat the team that is put out against you.

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Suarez and Sturrige without a doubt you can have all of our new signing for them two, coutiniho is good and would get in most teams.
My issue is not who should play for Liverpool or for Tottenham, the facts are that your boys were brilliant and you got what you deserved in fact it could and should have been more so well done.
You could get top 4 as Man U are poor and therefore this is perhaps your time, if we do not get rid of AVB now we will be letting you have it without a challenge, we looked like a team of individuals and he cannot manage those international players to muster a shot on target, it was a thrashing and whatever happens from here on you exposed us badly, the irony is that AVB goes then we may still get back at you but I doubt it so for now enjoy the moment, I would have if it was the other way around
There's always next year??

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Tonymack06,

Be honest, a good result against a very poor team, But not in a million years would I rather have Lucas instead of Sandro, or Henderson instead of Dembele/Eriksen/Capoue, as for Johnston I assume you mean Johnson and I would rather have Walker everyday of the week. Yes I would take Suarez and at this moment in time Sturridge as well Soldado will come good though at which point the only player I would have is Suarez, but IMO he won't be yours for to much longer.

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You can say we beat you that bad because you are awful (you are) but when we have the second highest goal scoring talley in the league and are second in the league you have nothing. Again the difference is if we lose suarez we still have a quality team. You didn't as you bought a bunch of flops. If we are so poor we wouldn't be second in the league this far along!

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RedTwist
Liverpool have spent an absolute fortune in recent years and been nowhere. Henderson has had a year to settle and was big money now you're raving. Suarez is undoubtedly world-class and you would struggle long term without him. Joe Allen? Another fortune. Coutinho promising but in and out. Point is you've had time to bed most players in and as well as you played today, you only really buried us with 10men.

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Can I ask what colour the sun is on your planet? yes we have spent money but I think you can agree spurs are not far behind if at all? oh and by the way at least we have more than one trophy to show for our spends.

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15 Dec 2013 19:13:03
well we are back. back to boring clueless football dawson is the worst defender in the prem. we are 2-0 down at half time and he brings on fryers priceless. I said a few weeks ago we won't finish in the top 8 and I will be right. I have had enough of avb why not offer hoddle the job until the end of season at least he will play good football and might get us in the top 4

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15 Dec 2013 19:00:14
That was way worse then the City shambles. AVB must go for the following reasons:-
1) he insists on playing a high line formation with Michael Dawson(possibly the slowest CB in the premier league) and Kyle Naughton ( possibly the worst left back in the premier league). When We went a man down at 2 - 0 surely it should have been damage limitation after that?
2) he does not appear able to change when things are going wrong ie. his substitutes are like for like he does not change tactics.
3) he insists on playing a small lone striker ( be it Defoe or Soldado) when the system or the players are not able or capable to create chances for them.
4) he seems deluded. In his interview after the match he said that we werelaying very well in other completions but not playing well in the premiership. The teams we beat in the Europa were about equivalent to non league teams but he does not seem to make that distinction
5) our worst home defeat in 16 years and not one chance on goal ( my Grandmother could have played in goal for Liverpool and it would still have been 5 - 0. 11 goals conceded in 2 games over 4 weeks is shocking for a team who spent more then 100 million
6) Possibly the most important, he has us playing slow and boring football. This is not the Spurs traditional way of playing.
7) I suspect from today's performance that he has lost the dressing room.
8) Don't forget West Ham ( not World beaters) took us apart 3 - 0 at the Lane.
We were lucky in earlier games and it papered over the cracks ie. Palace/ Cardiff/ Hull.

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Can't disagree with any of your points, Bale helped him paper over the cracks last season a truly shocking decision to sack Harry in the first place, he had the better record against the top 4/5 than this Clown - Levy make a change tonite and quick!

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Pauli
I think you cut you message short mate as we all can go on and on . Totally agree. A BIG BUT who make the decisions at whl and why is he getting away with it year after year. We are a joke of world football at the moment

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15 Dec 2013 19:33:45
maybe that will stop the looserpool comments for a while anyway.

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Yes it will because it's Liverpool

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15 Dec 2013 18:36:14
Serious question.And this goes out to the Harry out boo boys.
Who would take Harry back?

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Me I'd beg him to come back, bet the team would play normal spurs football within the first week.

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Even harry potter couldn't magic anything up for yous. Where is the word?

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15 Dec 2013 18:32:58
Omg I've heard it all now.
Sky's interview.
Question: can you convince the fans players and the board if necessary that you can turn it round

Avb answer. I dnt need to convince anybody. Arrogant git or is this a manager that knows he has lost his job

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15 Dec 2013 17:58:28
Anyone close to mill hill my rum is finished and can't leave to buy anymore. Anyone!

I could have played for Liverpool and looked like a 10-15 mil player avb is pathetic. Err does he not yet think bae should still be at spurs.

Worst defeat at home in 16 years. Is paulinho unsubable is it only by red card he can leave the field. Funnily enough I think we have a good team if played right I could manage better than avb.

At 2 down I want 5 so that clown can leave he doesn't have a clue there was nothing wrong with naughton but he brought on fryers to win the game, yeah smart move.

Andre give us a wave andre andre give us a wave. Bye bye and please don't look back. Make sure you haven't left anything behind please.

Spurs85 give us the positive look please cause for the life of me I can't see it we beat Sunderland just bottom of league and Fulham 2nd or 3rd bottom and then anzi relegated from their league and thought we were good.

If I had any sense I'd have got some more rum in before this game what a shambles from the first minute to the last.

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You want positivity my friend then here's all you need. We still support our side win, lose or draw. Again another poor result but whatever happens we'll still stand by our side and the one our manager picks come the West Ham game.

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The icing on the cake was taking off Dembele (cm) and putting on another winger in townsend
haha my sons sunday league team manager is better than Avb

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Haha spurs85, that is not positivity that's just standard if we got relegated I still support spurs but that isn't positivity.

For me tonight the only positive thing would be avb being sacked, I'd happily sacrifice any January transfer budget to cover it. I don't think our players are useless just avb.

My nan 85 and an arsenal fan would manage us better.

Spurs85 tell me you think avb is still the man for the job and why?or do you agree he needs to go. As Mr g said I'd happily have harry back!

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Yeah exactly that's standard so in the bigger picture of being a spurs fan this is just a very small part of it and like today's result being an all around down point in my life as a spurs fan their will obviously be good times to come aswell. Aslong as there is a THFC I'll always support the side and look at the only thing that matters, the one thing that keeps me positive when there are bad results and that is that THFC is still here. We're not in the bottom 3 so relegation isn't likely to happen this season so I'm not going to over react.

As for AVB staying, well as it stands I'm happy for him to see the season out and see what he manages to achieve, if anything, then for the club to make the decision on his future. If we dwell on champions league football then we could make mistakes we come to regret like the question being asked now about 'Arry.

Not getting champions league football will not destroy us (look at Liverpool) but potentially sacking a man who turns out to be the man to lead us to silverware and glory in the future would be disappointing. That being said he's judged by results and he's not getting them so it would be understandable if he lost his job!

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Hey spurrs85 for enough, but avb won't bring silverware, we have had a very weak group in Europe so def flattered us, under him top four is impossible so we basically waste the season to sack him in the end and get someone new who also needs time.

His substitutions are so weak, poor and negative at times shocking. I love spurs if we come last but I always hope for more, but to also spend 30 mil on a single player and to never start a single game is crazy.

Big shame, I had high expectations

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643 fair enough can't really disagree with much of what you said. It does seem as if he's outta his depth at times but not as far back as the summer some of the same fans who are asking for his sacking were also touting him as the best young manager in the world so things can turn around very quickly.

I'm not in anyway saying we are going to win silverware just because of how we are performing in the cups because as you said can't judge based on the teams we've played. Let's just say we pick it up in the league in the new year and finish around 6th but we also win Europa cup and league cup. Is he still poor and needs sacking or is winning trophy's enough?

As regards to your comment about Lamela, AVB never signed him Baldini did. That said AVB is supposed to be a coach and should be capable of working with what he has. It's still IMO to early to decide on his fate.

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Haha spurs85 just wanted you not to be so positive lol.
If we did win as you said I'd eat my phone but we won't not with this football.
I supported him over the summer and was excited at the prospect of what we could do, reality has hit home.
Last season he achieved our best points tally, but we had our best player ever. If you look at it last season bales scored wonder goal after wonder goal no team goals at all. We placated those with a few lucky penalties at the start, we've used are luck and now need team goals guess what they don't come.

If you view most of our goals are from some individual great goals very few are great team goals that where we have gone wrong. Personally can't seem them coming with this slow football.
Rumours on twitter avb has been sacked I hope they are true but bet they are not.

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15 Dec 2013 17:58:09
Please please please how much do we have to watch to see that AVB can not do this job for us.
All the players we bought had a fantastic season for there previous clubs. It shows he can not motivate this lot to do a job. We came out at home frightened of Liverpool today who looked good today. Just look what Rodgers has done to Liverpool with half the money. Avb is not as good as we all hoped. Bring back Glenn hoddle and watch the quality we bought shine OR get use to heavy defeats and shyt football

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Bring back glenn hoddle. isn't he part of a religous sect in australia?

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100% agree he never knows how to change the system. We played a specific style of football and he has tried to change our team and has proven clueless.

We had fast wingers in bale and Lennon and sole striker with van den vart behind and modric creating. He comes along chances our style And has us playing some slow awful football. There is no transition here this will never turn good, he doesn't know any other way, shows his poor management credentials. Hopefully he will be sacked tonight and someone else in by weekend before we find ourselves completely down in the bottom half by new year!

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15 Dec 2013 17:47:30
Spend 100 Million

Get dominated by Henderson

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Not too sure if that is a dig at Henderson but he has proved he's a quality player and more so today. Not only that but you got dominated by our whole team spurs are terrible.

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It wasn't a dig
(It wasn't meant to be)

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Fully agree mate we got dominated by your whole team we are terrible, shows even more when you only have one player we would even want. Liverpool aren't even good yet we lose 5-0 goes to show how bad avb is, we allow players of this quality to shine and look like they are class, get avb out!

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Liverpool aren't even good lol

did you watch the game today

outclassed you in every department

dominated your much lauded midfield

flanno made lennon looklike a headless chicken

the only player who did anything for you was chadli

we are second in the league, if the table was based on this calnder year we d be second in the league. its no fluke. we have a decent side

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Well the table isn't based on the calendar year is it.

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15 Dec 2013 17:43:34
Forget a taxi. Minibus for avb and his back room staff. Baldini also and the bunch of rubbish they bought. Sorry May need the club coach . Mr levy to drive it

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15 Dec 2013 17:40:59
I'm sorry but if a manager does not know his best 11or what players is better played where then he is not a manager

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15 Dec 2013 17:40:40
Although I have moaned about some of his decisions, I always thought AVB was the one for us, well not any more! The bloke is a disgrace, his constant changing of the team, the slow defensive tempo, playing players out of position, inability to change things when needed, and his insistence of playing Dawson and Naughton . These two must be two of the worst defenders in the league . Its been an absolute bloody shambles today, top four my arse!

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{Ed008's Note - Their is no other defenders to play all injured..

15 Dec 2013 17:38:59
100 mil spent and still poor. We must be the only team that has spent 30mil on a bench warmer
100 million per cent rubbish

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15 Dec 2013 16:58:27
Mr g,

To answer your question of the other night.

No seems we haven't got our spurs back, poor again at half time. Defence an absolute shambles Naughton awful. Terrible performance we've made Henderson look good and he's awful.

Paulinho has been poor keeps giving the ball away, on the up we can't be as bad second half. I'd like paulinho off for lamela and chadli off for Townsend and get some speed moving forward.

Lennon has hardly touched the ball yet, think for me now I'll start pouring the rum to ease the pain I'm feeling right now.

Spurs85 please give me the positivity now!

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Forget the injuries which are bad in defence and the pathetic disallowed goal, Avb is clueless. His tactics and team selection are pathetic.

Anyone thinking we have our Tottenham back is very mistaken. We were lucky against Anzi, they should of scored at least three. I see it how it is, we arweplaying pathetically. Avb has his ideas, they don't work get him out. Get Bielsa in.

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Well. paulinho did go off.

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15 Dec 2013 16:46:23
how can the ref disallow that goal truly dreadful decision having said that we have been poor

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Because we constantly get bad luck that's why.

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15 Dec 2013 16:41:52
Just pure rubbish

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15 Dec 2013 16:12:21
Kyle Naughton in 10 minutes has proved why he isn't good enough. v poor in all areas!

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